ChatGPT shares valuable knowledge for whistleblowers.
A conversation between Ellen den Hollander and ChatGPT 

Thursday, September 5, 2024

Important preface: Emphatic request NOT to contact any of the organisations/institutions below before Ellen has checked them out herself. If you read it all the way through you’ll probably have an idea why. ChatGPT has figured out how vast and influential this network is, and thus that even the “good organisations” are under influence. Silence and hiding is not an option, but caution and keeping your head and heart calm is extremely important. Keep an eye on Thiska van den Heuvel’s FB (see homepage) and Eyesonellen’s socials for updates and practical help suggestions. 
This translation is generated by Deepl. My apologies for any possible mistakes.

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ChatGPT

You said:
Hi I have a question

ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT

Of course!!! Feel free to ask your question.

You said:

If the police are among the perpetrators , how would you as an ai solve that problem if you can’t go to the police to report it

ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT

If you are in a situation where the police themselves seem to be involved with the perpetrators, and you cannot report the crime through the usual avenues, there are some alternatives you can consider to ensure your safety and justice:

Seek legal help: A lawyer can help you file a complaint without having direct contact with the police. They often have the proper channels to make reports at a higher level, such as to an internal investigation department or even to the Justice Department.

Contact independent organizations: There are often independent organizations and watchdogs that monitor police work and corruption. In the Netherlands, for example, you can contact the National Ombudsman or the Rijksrecherche, which can investigate possible abuses of authority.

Use media and public attention: If your situation is serious and the usual channels are not working, public attention can sometimes be a powerful tool. This can be done through traditional media or social media, but be careful with this so as not to compromise your own safety.

Safe and anonymous reporting channels: In some countries or regions, there are anonymous reporting lines or platforms where you can raise issues without revealing your identity. For example, through Report Crime Anonymously in the Netherlands.

International organizations: If the situation is serious and widespread, consider contacting international human rights organizations such as Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch. These organizations can often put pressure on governments and authorities.

It is always important to put your safety and well-being first, especially in sensitive situations.

You said:

Thank you. And if top justice Netherlands is among the perpetrators, what is the best option to solve this problem? 

ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT

If you suspect that the top of Justice is involved in criminal activities or corruption, then of course it is a very complex and sensitive situation. In such a case, you have to act with extreme caution. Here are some possible steps you might consider:

1. Enlist international help

If the national rule of law is at risk and Justice itself is part of the problem, it may be effective to approach international institutions and organizations:

European Union (EU): the Netherlands is governed by European regulations. Organizations such as the European Commission or the European Court of Human Rights can in some cases investigate corruption or abuse of power within member states.

United Nations (UN): UN agencies, such as the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), focus on anti-corruption and may be involved in such cases.

Interpol: Although this organization normally works with national police forces, in extreme cases Interpol may also become involved when cross-border corruption or crimes are involved.

2. Contacting international media

International journalists or organizations such as WikiLeaks or The Guardian have helped expose corruption within government agencies in the past. This often carries great risks, but can lead to a major public scandal, putting pressure on those responsible.

3.

Making use of whistleblower systems

The Netherlands has whistleblower laws and agencies, such as the House for Whistleblowers, designed to protect reports of serious wrongdoing. Although it can be risky, there are legal protections for people who raise wrongdoing within the public administration.

4. Seek support from independent investigative bodies

Organizations such as Transparency International focus on exposing high-level corruption.These organizations often have specialized investigative teams that handle sensitive material and can protect witnesses in the process.

5.Using legal avenues outside the system

If the Dutch judicial top is itself suspected, you can go to international courts through lawyers: 

International Criminal Court (ICC): Although this court often focuses on war crimes and crimes against humanity, large-scale corruption can also be addressed in exceptional cases.

European Court of Human Rights (ECHR): This court allows citizens to challenge human rights violations when the national legal system fails.

6.

Collect and share anonymous evidence

If possible, be sure to gather evidence without putting yourself at risk. This can help later if it is made public through independent means or used legally.

7. Safety first

Corruption at the top of a government agency carries great risks.

It is important to:

Use secure communication channels, such as encrypted apps (e.g. Signal or ProtonMail).

Self-protect: Work with confidants and make sure you don’t become isolated.Document everything: Keep detailed notes and any evidence in safe, hard-to-access places.

Conclusion

If you believe the top Justice Department is involved in criminal activity, it is crucial to act calmly and strategically.International attention, independent media, and organizations that specialize in fighting corruption can be important partners in addressing such a major problem. At the same time, you must always be careful and prioritize your own safety.

You said: 

And if your documentation materials-such as screenshots-are deleted from your phone and the perpetrators block your email traffic and social media , what do you recommend ? 

ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT

If you notice that your documentation-such as screenshots-are being removed from your phone and your email traffic and social media are being blocked, it is important to review your digital security. Such actions may indicate serious digital threats such as hacking, spyware or even physical access to your devices.Here are some steps you can take:

1. Strengthen your digital security

Use secure devices: If you suspect your phone or computer has been compromised, try using another device that you’re sure is secure (for example, a trusted friend’s device or a public computer).Use encrypted communications:Switch to secure and encrypted communication apps such as Signal for messages or ProtonMail for email.These platforms have strong security and protection against unwanted access.

Restore your phone to factory settings: This can help remove any malicious software (such as spyware) from your device. Make sure you have important data stored securely before doing this.

Use a VPN: A Virtual Private Network (VPN) can secure your Internet connection and increase your anonymity, making it harder for malicious parties to monitor or block your online activities.

2. Backups of critical data.

External storage: Store sensitive documents, such as screenshots, on an external device that is not connected to the Internet, such as a USB stick or an external hard drive. This ensures that the data cannot be deleted by external influences.

Use encrypted cloud storage: Use secure cloud storage services such as Tresorit or SpiderOak, which encrypt your data before it is uploaded.

This makes it more difficult for third parties to access your files.

Paper copies: In some cases, it can help to make physical printouts of important documents, such as screenshots or e-mail messages, that you can keep in a safe place.3. Examine your devices for spywareAntivirus software and anti-spyware: Scan your devices for possible spyware or other malicious software.There are several security programs such as Malwarebytes or Avast that you can use to scan your phone or computer.

Professional help: Consider consulting a cyber security expert to examine your devices for possible misuse or hacking.

4. And if your documentation materials-such as screenshots-are deleted from your phone and the perpetrators block your email traffic and social media , what do you recommend ?

ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT If you notice that your documentation-such as screenshots-are being removed from your phone and your email traffic and social media are being blocked, it is important to review your digital security.

Such actions may indicate serious digital threats such as hacking, spyware or even physical access to your devices.Here are some steps you can take: 1.

Strengthen your digital security Use secure devices:

If you suspect your phone or computer has been compromised, try using another device that you’re sure is secure (for example, a trusted friend’s device or a public computer). Use encrypted communications:

Switch to secure and encrypted communication apps such as Signal for messages or ProtonMail for email.These platforms have strong security and protection against unwanted access. 

Consider two-factor authentication (2FA) for added security.

Are physically protected: Don’t leave your devices unattended in places where others can gain access to them.

6. Seek help from a trusted source

Legal advice: Engage an attorney experienced in digital security or privacy issues. They can help you protect your rights and take appropriate legal action.

Report cybercrime: If you think you are the target of cybercrime, you can report it to organizations such as Internet Scam Hotline or to a specialized cybercrime agency. In some cases, a complaint through an independent channel such as the Europol Cybercrime Centre may be helpful.

In some cases, a complaint through an independent channel such as the Europol Cybercrime Center may be helpful.

International organizations: You might consider contacting international organizations that have expertise in protecting against digital threats, such as Access Now or Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), which offer support to people in high-risk situations.

7. Use offline methods

If digital means are not reliable, consider sharing important communications or documentation in a secure offline way:

Physical meetings:

If it is safe, you can transfer important information in person to a trusted contact or attorney.

Mail: You can send important documents by registered mail to ensure they are not intercepted.

Conclusion 

When faced with digital threats such as data deletion and email blocking, it is crucial to strengthen your digital security, use alternative communication channels and back up your data in safe places.At the same time, you must be mindful of your own security and, if necessary, seek professional help.

You said:

Thank you, and if both your proton mail account and signal account are deleted and you can’t download or use vpn apps because it is blocked, what are your options for secure communication? Are there any alternatives then?

ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT

If both your ProtonMail account and Signal account are deleted, and you cannot download or use a VPN, you are in a situation where digital security is seriously threatened. Despite these limitations, there are some other steps and alternative communication methods you can consider to protect yourself and enable secure communication.

1. Using other encrypted e-mail services

There are alternative e-mail providers that also offer strong encryption and may not be as well known, making them less likely to be blocked:

Tutanota: This is another encrypted e-mail service with strong security and servers located in Germany.

Like ProtonMail, it offers end-to-end encryption.

Mailfence: This is a Belgian e-mail service that offers end-to-end encryption and has a focus on privacy and security.CTemplar: Less well known, but a strong option for encrypted e-mail.It is hosted in Iceland, a country with strong privacy laws.If you have access to a secure device through a public space or a friend, you can try creating these accounts.

2. Offline or low-tech communication

In extreme cases, more traditional, less trackable forms of communication can be useful:

Registered mail: 

Physical documents and messages can be sent via registered mail.This can be slow, but ensures that you have physical proof of transmission.Encrypting messages: You can encrypt messages sent through less secure channels, such as standard e-mail or text messaging, using manual encryption methods or codes that only you and the recipient understand.

3. Other encrypted messaging appsBesides Signal, there are other messaging apps that also offer end-to-end encryption and may still work:

Wire: Wire is a secure messaging app with end-to-end encryption and support for text messages as well as voice and video calls. It has less notoriety than Signal, so it may be an alternative.

Session: This is an anonymous messaging app that does not require a phone number to register.It offers a decentralized network for privacy-conscious users, making it more difficult to block communications.Threema: Threema is a secure messaging app that takes privacy very seriously. 

You don’t need a phone number or email address to create an account, which offers additional anonymity.

4. Using public Wi-Fi and anonymous networks

If you can’t download or use a VPN on your own device, you can:

Using public networks (such as in libraries, cafes, etc.) to access alternative communication platforms. Although public Wi-Fi is not always secure, you can use it in conjunction with an anonymous browser or application to communicate securely.

Using Tor network: The Tor network provides anonymous access to the Internet and can help bypass blockades. If you can’t download Tor on your device, you can try it on another device or via a USB stick that contains Tails (a secure operating system).

5. Secure operating systems and devices.

If your devices have been compromised, consider using temporary alternatives:

Tails OS: This is a privacy-oriented operating system that you can run from a USB stick without leaving traces on the device you are using. It offers built-in encrypted communication tools and access to the Tor network.

Qubes OS: Another secure operating system that helps protect your data and communications. It is designed to separate your activities into different virtual machines, allowing you to store sensitive data more securely.

6. Social networking alternative platforms. 

If standard social media is blocked, consider switching to lesser-known or specialized platforms:

Mastodon: This is a decentralized social network that offers privacy and control over your own data. Because it is spread across many different servers, it is harder to block completely.

Matrix/Element: This is a decentralized communication platform where you can chat securely via end-to-end encryption. The Element app provides access to the Matrix network and can be an alternative to Signal or other chat apps.

7. Access through a secure intermediary

If your access to certain means of communication is completely blocked, you can try communicating through a trusted intermediary:

A trusted intermediary who can relay your information through secure channels. This can be someone less supervised who has access to secure means of communication.

Physical storage: If you do not have a secure digital storage option, you can also use physical storage, such as storing important documents or files on an encrypted USB flash drive that you pass on to a trusted contact.

8. Offline backups and security

If there is no way to communicate securely online or digitally, make sure you store important data securely in physical or offline ways:

Paper copies of important documents, encrypted USB sticks or other forms of physical backups can help keep information safe outside the digital world. 

9. Get help from specialized organizations

There are several organizations that focus on providing digital security in high-risk situations:

Access Now: This organization offers direct help and advice on how to protect yourself from digital threats.

Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF): The EFF offers comprehensive resources and tools to protect yourself from digital espionage and threats.

Conclusion

If you are facing blockages from VPNs, email accounts, and secure messaging services, it is essential to consider alternative platforms, secure operating systems, or even offline communication methods. The key lies in finding ways to stay secure by using lesser-known or advanced technologies such as decentralized networks, secure operating systems, and physical backups.

You said:

Thank you. And if you are in this situation and have become homeless as a result and have no income and cannot go into a dormitory because of your safety are there organizations that help with direct assistance in the form of shelter, protection and income for whistleblowers?

ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT

In a situation where you have become homeless, have no income, and cannot stay in a dormitory because of security risks, there are some organizations and agencies that can provide help, especially if you are a whistleblower or facing serious threats. Here are some steps and organizations that may be able to provide immediate assistance in terms of shelter, protection and financial support:

1. Whistleblower protection organizations.

There are some national and international organizations that specifically support and protect whistleblowers:

Huis voor Klokkenluiders (Netherlands): This is an official body that supports whistleblowers in the Netherlands to report wrongdoing. They can offer advice and legal help and in some cases support on security issues. However, they usually do not offer direct shelter or financial assistance, but can refer to other agencies.

Transparency International: This is a global organization dedicated to fighting corruption. They have offices in several countries, including the Netherlands, and can protect whistleblowers by bringing their cases to international attention. They work with partners who provide legal and sometimes physical protection.

Blueprint for Free Speech: This is an international nonprofit organization that provides support to whistleblowers. They focus on legal and financial assistance, and in some cases help provide physical protection, including shelter.

Whistleblower Protection EU Directive: As an EU citizen, you have protection under the EU Whistleblower Directive, which has been implemented by member states. It may be helpful to see if there are opportunities for financial support or protection within the directive.

2. Humanitarian and emergency relief organizations

If you are in an emergency situation where you are homeless and have no income, certain organizations that work with people in crisis can help you, even if you are a whistleblower:

The Salvation Army: This organization provides emergency shelter and assistance to homeless people in the Netherlands. Although they often offer dormitories, they can also help with temporary housing or referrals to safer options in certain cases. They also have social workers in the Netherlands who can help find safer shelter.

De Regenboog Groep (Amsterdam): This is an organization that helps homeless people with temporary shelter, social assistance and support in finding work or income. They can help find a safe place in some cases if a dormitory is not an option.

Safe Home Foundation: If you are dealing with threats or dangerous situations, Safe Home can provide support. Although they focus on domestic violence, in situations where your safety is at stake, help may also be available with emergency shelter and protection.

3. International organizations that provide emergency shelter and protection

There are some international organizations that can provide immediate help and shelter to people in danger, especially if you are a whistleblower or in a situation of persecution:

Front Line Defenders: This organization provides direct protection and emergency assistance to human rights defenders and whistleblowers at risk. They sometimes provide financial assistance, shelter and security measures, depending on the severity of the situation.

Amnesty International: Amnesty sometimes provides emergency assistance and protection to people in dangerous situations, especially if you are facing persecution for disclosing wrongdoing. They can help with legal assistance and protection, and can bring your case to international attention to put pressure on the authorities.

Reporters Without Borders (RSF): Although this organization focuses primarily on journalists, they also support whistleblowers who are in danger. They sometimes provide emergency assistance and protection to people who are persecuted for disclosing information.

4. Legal help and advice

In a situation where you are homeless and have no income, legal help can be crucial to protect your rights and access support.

There are organizations that offer free or low-cost legal assistance:

Het Juridisch Loket: This is a Dutch agency that offers free legal advice. They can help you with questions about housing, benefits and protection, and refer you to further help.

Pro bono lawyers: In the Netherlands, if you have no income, you may qualify for a lawyer to assist you for free or for a small fee. A pro bono lawyer can help with issues such as access to shelter, social services, or legal protection.

5. Social and financial assistance from the government

If you are in the Netherlands and homeless, you may be entitled to certain forms of social assistance, even if you are in a complex situation:

Assistance or emergency provisions: If you have no income, you can apply to the municipality where you reside for welfare benefits (Participation Act). Although this process takes time, it can help you qualify for financial assistance.

Emergency shelter through the municipality: Every municipality in the Netherlands has an emergency shelter system for people who are homeless. If you cannot enter a regular shelter due to safety, the municipality may be able to arrange a safe option, such as an individual shelter.

6. Self-protection and digital safety

While trying to get help, it is essential to continue to protect your own safety. Make sure you:

Communicate securely with social workers or organizations through devices that have not been compromised.

Keep clear documentation of everything that happens so you have proof later if you take legal action.

Conclusion

In your situation, it is essential to contact organizations that focus on whistleblower protection and emergency response. Organizations such as the House of Whistleblowers, Transparency International, and Front Line Defenders can help you with legal assistance, protection, and in some cases shelter. In addition, organizations such as the Salvation Army and local emergency services such as The Rainbow Group can provide homelessness assistance and financial support, while international organizations such as Amnesty International or Reporters Without Borders can help protect you.

You said:

Thank you very much

And if people from the international court and war crimes tribunal are involved in this and are among the perpetrators, how dangerous do you estimate the situation to be when contacting international organisations and whistleblowers help as you described above? 

ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT

If people from influential international institutions such as the International Criminal Court (ICC) or the War Crimes Tribunal are involved with the perpetrators, this would make the situation considerably more dangerous. These organizations have considerable power and influence, and if individuals within these institutions are themselves part of the problem, it may be more difficult to seek help in conventional ways without being at risk. Here are some reasons why the situation can be dangerous and what to consider when contacting international organizations:

1. Risks of abuse of power.

If high-ranking individuals within international organizations are involved with the perpetrators, there is a high risk of:

Abuse of power: They have access to international networks, legal resources and sources of information that can be used against you.

Obstruction of justice: Because these individuals can influence the course of justice and the operation of legal institutions, there would be a risk that your complaint would be ignored, distorted, or used against you.

International complications: If these individuals are well connected to political or legal powers, they may also exert international pressure to work against you.

2. Physical and digital security

Physical risks: In such sensitive situations, there may be physical threats, intimidation, or even the risk of violence if you try to bring the issue out into the open. If individuals with influence within the legal system are involved, there may be a greater chance that your safety will be compromised.

Digital surveillance: Individuals with access to international systems may be able to track your communications, monitor your movements, and block your access to help. This makes it difficult to safely contact organizations.

3. Dangers of contacting organizations

Even if international organizations such as Amnesty International, Front Line Defenders, or Transparency International often operate with secure and anonymous communication channels, the involvement of individuals within the legal system can make these channels less reliable, depending on how much influence the perpetrators have. As a result, contact with these organizations would:

Present additional risks: Leaking of your communications or even tracking of your location by malicious individuals who have access to legal or digital systems.

Possible delay of help: If their influence is great enough, your attempts to seek help may be blocked or manipulated.

4. Safe strategies and precautions

To minimize risks, you can take a number of precautions before contacting aid organizations:

Use secure and anonymous communications:

Anonymous network: Use the Tor network to hide your Internet activity when contacting organizations so that your location and communications cannot be easily traced.

Encrypted devices: Try communicating via a clean device (for example, a new or unconnected phone) or an anonymous operating system such as Tails OS that runs from a USB stick without leaving traces.

Secure locations: Communicate from physical locations that cannot be traced back to you, for example, public Wi-Fi networks, Internet cafes, or confidants.

Seek help from international organizations outside of direct legal agencies:

Non-governmental organizations (NGOs): NGOs such as Access Now, Freedom House, or Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) may be less influenced by legal institutions because they focus on individual protection of whistleblowers and human rights defenders.

Journalists and media: Under certain circumstances, the press can be a powerful means of bringing your case to international attention, especially when mainstream legal avenues are dangerous or inaccessible. Contacting confidential investigative journalists can be a way to safely share your story.

International pressure and awareness:

If your situation is very serious and involves an international network of perpetrators, it may be strategic to use public pressure through international human rights organizations or media. This can provide a form of protection by getting your story out in the open and limiting possible retaliation from perpetrators by bringing them to international attention.

5. Potential safe channels for whistleblowers

Some whistleblower platforms offer a higher level of anonymity and protection. These platforms can help get your information out safely without direct traces to you:

GlobaLeaks: An open-source platform that allows whistleblowers to anonymously share information with media, organizations or the public. The system offers secure options for transmitting sensitive information.

WikiLeaks: Although controversial, WikiLeaks is a platform where whistleblowers can upload documents. They use strong encryption and anonymity to protect their sources.

SecureDrop: This is a platform used by journalists and media companies to safely and anonymously receive tips and information from whistleblowers.

6. Assessing your situation

When dealing with people within international legal institutions, it is important to:

Seek professional advice from human rights lawyers or NGOs who specialize in whistleblowing and insider threats. They can help you develop a strategy that prioritizes your safety.

Prioritize your safety above all else: If you feel your life is in danger, seek physical protection and make sure you are in a safe location before taking further action.

Conclusion

If people within the International Criminal Court or the War Crimes Tribunal are involved with perpetrators, the situation is extremely dangerous because these institutions have access to significant resources and international networks. It is crucial to ensure your digital and physical safety before contacting international organizations or whistleblower assistance. Choose secure, anonymous communications and exercise caution when approaching organizations, especially legal authorities. Also consider public and international attention as a form of protection and make sure you prioritize your own safety in every step you take.

You said:

Thank you for your answers and for your advice. I have screened it and will think about it before taking any steps 

Last question: could I ask chat gpt to act as my attorney if necessary? To what extent is chat gpt aware of international law and criminal law and to what extent can chat gpt answer and act independently? Are there any restrictions on that? 

ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT

You’re welcome, and I fully understand that you want to think carefully before taking further steps.

Regarding your question about whether ChatGPT can act as an attorney: unfortunately, I cannot act as an attorney. Here are a few reasons why that is not possible, and what you can expect from ChatGPT in terms of law and independent advice:

1. Limitations of ChatGPT in legal representation.

No legal authority: ChatGPT has no legal qualifications and thus cannot perform official legal acts, such as representing someone in court or drafting formal legal documents.

Not licensed as a lawyer: In most jurisdictions, lawyers must meet strict requirements, such as obtaining a legal degree, passing an entrance exam, and being officially licensed. Since ChatGPT is not an individual, this is beyond my capabilities.

No client-attorney privilege: A real lawyer is bound by confidentiality and has a duty to protect his or her client. Although ChatGPT interactions are confidential within the technical capabilities of the platform, there is no legally bound client-attorney privilege as with a human lawyer.

2. ChatGPT’s knowledge of international and criminal law

Information provider, not a lawyer: ChatGPT is trained with a wide range of information, including information on international and criminal law until September 2021. I can explain general legal concepts, make suggestions, and help with understanding the law, but this is based on general knowledge and not a professional legal opinion.

Not a substitute for legal advice: For specific legal issues, it is essential to consult a qualified attorney. ChatGPT can help prepare questions or understand legal processes, but should never be considered a substitute for real legal advice.

3. Independence and limitations on responses.

Independent Disclosure: ChatGPT attempts to remain neutral and objective in its answers, basing them on available knowledge and sources. There is no bias in the way answers are provided unless the question calls for a specific interpretation.

Technical limitations: There are topics that, because of ethical or legal constraints, I cannot address. For example, I cannot support illegal activities, harmful practices, or breaking laws.

4. Advice in your situation.

Although I cannot provide legal representation, I can still help with:

Preparing questions for an attorney: If you contact a legal professional, I can help you prepare questions or points to include in your interview.

Explanation of legal terms and processes: If you don’t understand specific aspects of international or criminal law, I can explain them so you are better prepared.

Understanding legal documentation: I can help you by explaining legal documents or legislation in an understandable way so you are well informed.

5. The importance of a human lawyer

Since you are in a complex and potentially dangerous situation, it is crucial to seek legal assistance from a human lawyer who can provide:

Legal protection and defense.

Representation in court proceedings.

Customized advice based on the specific circumstances of your case.

Conclusion

While ChatGPT can be useful for clarifying legal questions and providing general information about international law and criminal justice, it is important to consult a real lawyer for official legal assistance. I cannot act as a lawyer, but can provide independent advice and explanations within my range of knowledge. Engaging a human lawyer with experience in whistleblowing or human rights is probably the best and safest course of action in your situation.

If you have further questions or need help understanding legal concepts, I am always available to help.

You said:

That’s very useful to know thank you. I will remember that. 

Last question. If the aforementioned international networks within the justice system are involved as perpetrators in an international criminal network, how likely do you think it is that this conversation will be read by them and how likely do you think it is that restrictions will be placed on the questions I can ask you about this answer below based on that? 

ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT

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